Tossed By The Waves, But Not Sunk
Sunday November 15th 2015
The motto of the city of Paris is Fluctuat nec migrator. It’s on the coat of arms. It means something like “tossed but not sunk”.
I have nothing useful to add to what has already been said about what happened on Friday night. But I will offer you the chart for the event, drawn up for 9.20pm Paris time. Astrologer Maurice Fernandez has pointed out that the Mars-Node conjunction, right on the IC in this chart, is significant in the 9/11 attack and the Norwegian attack too. You can see that Mars has just passed through the ecliptic which is marked by the Nodes.
Notice the Moon also in Sagittarius applying to Uranus, shock, and Chiron, wounding, and setting things alight.
I wrote the following two comments to an astrological site, but I omit the first two sentences which gave a wrong time of onset due to a false early media report…..
At first glance the picture is not so strikingly severe as one might expect – the moon in Sag, the foreigner’s/immigrant’s sign close to square Chiron at 17 Pisces which together bespeaks the ideological/religious theme. Venus sextiles Saturn exactly which could be serious even melancholy but isn’t a disaster. Jupiter sextiles the Sun which could enlarge things if they were bad, but should they be so under this pattern? Uranus trines the moon which could be exciting. So none of us could have forecast this, or could and should we?
This is an occasion where I think the degrees are crucial and eloquent. Mars was on a world point at 0 Libra. The transiting true nodes were at 29 Virgo, i.e. the SNs were conjunct 29 Pisces known as a super unfortunate degree which was the degree of the March solar eclipse being fatefully triggered.
The last lunation of the 11th Nov had hit on 19 degrees Scorpio which by tradition rivals 29 Pisces for reputation as the most unfortunate degree on the zodiac. This means that since Mars and Pluto rule Scorpio, we ought to have watched whatever Mars or Pluto were doing at this time and on a world point expect disaster. Recall that at 9/11, Mars hit a world point (O Cap) following a solar eclipse on the opposite world point. So the matter seems rather subtle. Maybe some Parts and asteroids would further illuminate but I haven’t examined that…..
….Thanks for correcting the time of this event which I simply took from an early still confused TV report. Not only does the 9.18 pm time make sense with that 29 Pisces at the MC transited by the SN but…..sure enough asteroid PARIS at 23.53 is conjunct the 24.06 ascendant!
It also makes a lot of sense that the Cancer/Cap axis is across Asc/Desc as this is the axis of Islam and apparently also Isis. And btw, I find that asteroid ISIS can probably be used for Islamic State. In this chart we find it at 13 Libra, a critical degree, in exact square to the 13 degree Pluto in Cap. (Another possibly relevant square aspect is asteroid Lucifer at 4.39 Virgo to Saturn at 5.33 Sag though I am not quite sure what it means, maybe Lucifer light hiding as Virgoan pure in at least the minds of the perpetrators but being against law all the same. Whatever, it’s good to check where Lucifer is in any picture of evil)
Thanks for this Rollan.
Indeed the asteroid Isis has been very busy for the last year.
Maurice Fernandez had the 9.20 time and I checked it against various news reports so I think it is pretty accurate. Also the angle are stunning — Mars-NN on the IC, a game-changing attack on home. As for Paris being on the ASC, how extraordinary.
I currently have this Mars-NN conjunction close to conjuncting my natal NN in my 4th house (but nowhere near the IC).
I’m so sorry to ask a personal question, to bring this tragedy down to my own personal level, but I’m just wondering if I should be worried…? I’ve looked for info online – put my mind at rest – but I can’t find anything).
Just to chip in my bit to reassure you as well, as Christine said, apart from it being a yearly occurence, it could just signify the Masculine/man or action/activity/anger to do with ones past. Or any other of the symbolisms associated with Mars.
And the symbolism is somewhat different in a Mundane Astrological chart – in this case its combined with lots of other more specifcs aspects to Frances chart.
But the NN to NN conjunction isn’t an annual event is it? I thought it was only 4x in a lifetime or thereabouts(?) and coig together with Mars in the 4th…? Tbh, if it was a bit of action and energy + destiny I’d be thrilled. I’ve been stuck in a rut for such a terrible long time. It was that comment ‘a game-changing attack on home’ (being in my 4th house) that worried me.
OK. I’ll shut up about myself now. 🙂
Lots of typos – sorry.
I don’t think you do. Remember that Mars also means action, or simply a man. You could be taking some action that moves you forward along your destined path. Furthermore, remember also that Mars will meet one of the Nodes, North or South, at least once a year — and there is not a terrorist attack each time.
And… Ankara, Kenya, Tunisia did not have the Mars-NN conjunction. I just glanced at the Ankara chart — which is on this site — and note that Mercury is on the Nodes in that one. I don’t think the Sinai Russian aircraft had that either but I need to check.
Hello Christina -The need to make sense of this horrific event is very strong. I do suspect that the activation of the 29 Pisces March eclipse by both Mars and the Moon’s nodes is meaningful. It sensitised the Treaty of Rome chart (25 March 1957), was visible in Europe, and was aligned with Scheat, a fixed star associated with chaos (as well as disasters such as plane crashes and accidents at sea). Treaty of Rome’s chart was further activated by the ‘supermoon’ lunar eclipse at 4 Aries in September. This fell on the Sun, while the eclipse Moon was conjunct the South Nodes – cause and effect in operation…So perhaps the very heart of what modern Europe means, its ‘self’ is activated here, stimulating our desire to share our concerns, and future group actions? From memory, Sun rules the 11th house in that chart. That eclipse was also visible in Europe – if traditional rules apply, then this makes both these eclipses more relevant to our location than usual. It also suggests, as a lunar eclipse, the release of certain ideals accompanied by upheavals……All so infinitely sad and shocking.
Oh, I didn’t know about Isis asteroid, scarry.
I would like to point out few things.
First thing is the chronology. It was not one event, but many. The first attack was at 21:20 (cancer rising), but it was already 22:09 when terrorists started the bloodshed at Bataclan (leo rising). They literally moved from a restaurant to a concert hall. Uranus was close to MC by then, and the public was about realising that something very bad was going on. We were shocked, of course (Uranus).
And it was not until Jupiter was rising, (00:20), that police took Bataclan.
If we stay with the first chart, moon is the chart ruler. „Playing God“ is always a Jupiter-Moon. Neptune-Moon may be insane and beliving in martyrdom and all these things, but thinking that you are morally superior and trying to impose (religious and traditional) rules on others – that’s Jupiters buissniss. (There was a Jupiter-Moon conjunction during the Charlie Hebdo attack, if I remember well.)
In this chart, Moon is ruled by Jupiter and it is challenged by Jupiter at the same time. It’s never easy for a planet to be challenged by it’s own ruler, especially if the ruler is in detriment as it is in this case.
And then, there is the Chiron-Square in Pisces, so there is this element of the martyrdom. Suicides bombers may not be exactly what the chiron and pisces are about, but this is a square, after all.
As the police took Bataclan and as perpetrators killed themselves, Neptune was at DC.
@Rollan McCleary
I like your comment very much, but I don’t see Islam connected to Cap/Cancer axes. Rather to Scorpio, with the Pluto/Mars rulership. (ISIS is another thing). Even in personal charts: Pluto/Scorpio-DC (natal or transiting) is frequent in charts of peope who married a Muslim, Pluto-MC may point to a carrier in connection to a muslim dominated state, Pluto-IC to the origins, and so on. And indeed: Make the chart of the supposed „Muhammad’s first revelation“ and scorpio rising is what you get. Cap/Cancer is connected to Judaism, for many reasons: The oldest monotheistic religion, the bunch of rules, the connection to homeland („Holy land“). „Jewish Mother“ thing.
The association of the Cancer/Cap axis with Islam I owe to Noel Tyl in a book whose title I can’t now recall but in which he dates certain events in Islam. Also I do know that the chart for Saudi Arabia is overwhelmingly Capricornian. However, the Cancer/Cap association anyway makes good symbolic sense. The symbol of Islam is the crescent moon (and some scholars have even speculated Allah was originally an Arabian moon deity) while Capricorn is the politics sign and Islam is very earthily and conservatively not to say ruthlessly political as religions go in pursuit of its aims.
By contrast Christianity is of the Gemini/Sagittarius axis. It was founded amid a speaking in tongues and it has helped birth western democracy by often espousing a division of powers in society and allowing rights to conscience that by contrast the more totalitarian Islam doesn’t acknowledge.
Though modern Israel was birthed under Taurus, Judaism surely belongs to the axis of the era in which it emerged, namely Aries-Libra. The Arien Lebensraum struggles of the OT are complemented by a Libran emphasis upon Law and Covenant and marriage to the divine and a vision of peace at some point in history. It is unlikely that fundamentalist Muslims would be quite so keen to wipe Jews off the face of the earth as the Koran requires if the spirit of Capricorn was embedded in and typical of both religions. Judaism is an almost portable, migratory faith that doesn’t need any strongly political values to keep it going…..
I mentioned earlier a Lucifer in Virgo square Saturn in Sagittarius which I said I didn’t understand. After something I read today I wonder if it’s not pointing to a kind of perversely murderous puritanism because apparently the jihadists declared they were doing Allah’s will by attacking “the capital of prostitution and obscenity”.
If Judaism is the Aries/Libra axis, Christianity is Gemini/Sagittarius (possible argument for Pisces/Virgo, though), and Isalm is Cancer/Capricorn, then is the Leo/Aquarius axis our current cult of the stage hogging celebrity and the love of all things news & technological?
Ha ha.
I think there’s an argument for Pisces/Virgo for Christianity too. Jesus is a very fishy figure, and think of the early Christian symbol of two fishes, and he is balanced — at least in Catholicism — by the Virgin Mary.
In effect Jesus and Christianity share the mutable signs between them, Jesus the Virgo- Pisces axis and Christianity the Gemini-Sagittarian.
It sounds like a big claim when there has been so much speculation before, and I don’t want to get too off theme for this particular conversation, but I am prepared to say both as astrologer and doctor of religious studies, that Jesus was definitely a Virgo and his birth data can be provably known down to the last relevant Part and asteroid on a chart still working to this day for Jesus issues. For anyone interested I have given a little idea of this big claim at this blog article http://wp.me/p2v96G-GZ .
I hope since the last eclipse was on Jesus’ sun that finally the truth may get out. I am presently awaiting the decision of an American publisher on this though I am not holding my breath either. But at the end of the age of Pisces and amid the challenge from Islam, we do need to know the truth about what occurred at the beginning of that era and the Christ chart still works for Jesus events to this day. Also because the data for Jesus can be known so too can the chart of Christianity it’s foundation date and even its birth time since that is virtually given in the bible anyway.
Actually, both is right: Sun at 0° Capricorn, Scorpio-risng is likely. The green colour is associated with Taurus. And for moon, it is close to MC. The question is: Moon or Black Moon?
Here we go:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=19&nho2=21&btyp=25&mth=gw&sday=16&smon=11&syr=2015&hsy=-1&zod=&orbp=80&rs=0&add=20&add=22&add=12&add=13&add=14&add=15&snode=-Ys&ast=10370%2C42%2C
Progressed chart (outer wheel) is also very interesting: Asteroid ISIS conj. Pluto.
Totally agree about the North Node /Mars and Moon in Sag.
This is what jumped out at me.
Transits for the Chart of France
Terrorist attacks commencing 9.16pm at the Rue de Charrone
-Transiting Mars conjunct trans north Node sets overall mood of violence
-Trans Saturn in Frances 8th house opposite natal Mars in second
Trans Neptune square Natal Mars Trans Saturn square Neptune. undermining Frances values – reality versus ideals – fanaticism/freedom visa/versa surveillance/defence.
-Trans Pluto/Uranus, Pluto in 10th conjuncting, squaring and opposing Frances Ascendant and Natal Mercury/Sun in Libra conjunct descendant. Upheaval and subversion of Frances National Identity – Liberté, Fraternitté, Egalité…et Sécurité
– And especially significant I think is the YOD or Finger of God, Uranus apex , conjunct Frances Ascendant inconjunct Jupiter in virgo sextile Sun/ Mercury in Scorpio
– And as you say, Moon in Sagittarius apex Tsquare Chiron opposite Jupiter -Holy war /Fanatacism/Barbarism
I consider this a powder keg of aspects reinforced by mutual receptions, that perfectly describes the forces, motivations and intentions behind this horrific act.
The Paris Peace sign, is a beautifully concise symbol representing one of the solutions, an altogether grimmer but equally pertinent image of the problems, is Mark Rowsons ‘cartoon’ at the Guardian, which in my opinion is one of his best.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2015/nov/15/martin-rowson-on-the-world-after-the-paris-attacks-cartoon
Sabian Symbol for the Sun’s position (as pointed out by Lynda Hill – sabiansymbols.com) was ‘Hunters in Protective Clothing Shooting Wild Ducks.’
I would like to thank everyone for contributing such thoughtful and thought-provoking comments to this post. Each one of you has added to, and enriched, the interpretation kicked off by Rollan.
As Jane says, the activation of the eclipses is key. Eleonara’s brilliantly powerful analysis of the movements of Moon and Ascendant on the fateful night shows the accuracy of astrology and the importance of timing.
I tend to agree with Rollan on the Cancer/Cap Islam question. And with Pluto currently in Capricorn, Islam puts on a dark hood. We actually have exact dates for the founding of the religion so it should be checkable.
And Acqua – surely you are right about the Yod in the French chart.
I hope everyone gets a chance to look at the Rowson cartoon you link to — it’s incredible in the light of the importance of the North Node, the dragon’s head, and the general Scorpionic vibe. It depicts a snake eating itself.
Theolyn – yes I noticed that too, so accurate and horrible.
It’s thanks to you Christina that everyone has this superb place to share their thoughts and research. And that cartoon is very chilling indeed.
Regarding the significance of the Nodes – they are at 24 Virgo/Pisces conjunct the Sun at 29 Virgo in the chart for the First French Republic, 21st September 1792. There was apparently some civil unrest in the troubled Parisian suburbs in October 2006, following a solar eclipse at 29 Virgo that September. However, no straightforward links to the three weeks of riots in France in October and November 2005. It’s possible, I think, that the schisms and anger these revealed have been festering away for a decade. At that time, ‘religious’, idealistic Neptune was opposing the Uranus in Leo of the Fifth Republic (1958), had already opposed Uranus in Leo for revolutionary France and the First Republic, and was approaching a conjunction with Pluto in Aquarius in the chart for the First Republic as well. A confusion of revolution, people power, and the needs of individuals? Many of those who rioted were teenagers at the time, and so are only in their twenties now……But it’s all so much darker now.
My pleasure Christine, and thanks to you for hosting and kicking off this discussion – Re Rowson, I think his image is a masterpiece not just as a cartoon but as a work of art. Both ghastly and compelling to look at, and oh so much more descriptive than words.
Regarding the Cancer/ Capricorn axis and Plutos position along with the mutable Jupiter/Neptune configuration and Islam, needless to say its difficult to find exact dates.
However the founding of Hijra is certainly one of the most significant :
‘Because of persecution of the newly converted Muslims, upon the invitation of a delegation from Medina (then known as Yathrib), Muhammad and his followers migrated there in 622 CE, an event known as Hijra (Hegira).[18][19] A turning point in Muhammad’s life, this Hijra also marks the beginning of Islamic calendar. ‘Wikipedia
Apparently this took place in July – I set up a chart for the 7th[entirely arbitary] of July 622 for Medina, and ignoring the moon/ascendant etc we see a strong connection with the chart for the 13th.
Not only is the sun [obviously] in Cancer, but also its conjunct Saturn -Pluto is in Aires squaring Sun and Mercury, swapping with Pluto/ Uranus current position and Uranus, Neptune and Mars are conjunct in Virgo opposite Jupiter in Pices! And squared by a strong opposition between Pallas in Sag and Ceres in Gemini. Repeating the themes of mutable Faith, Spreading the word!
The ‘Word’ is reinforced down through the ages, both the agressive spreading of it and the supression of others truths to reinforce their own, note also Mercury conjunct NN.
November13ths chart/ transits on Frances chart also repeatedly emphasise afflicted Mercury, along with Jupiter – ‘Truth’, Propaganda,Preaching
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=2&nho2=3&btyp=2&mth=gw&sday=16&smon=11&syr=2015&hsy=-1&zod=&orbp=&rs=0&add=22&add=12&add=13&add=14&add=15&mnode=-Ym&aspc=1&asp=1&ast=
@aqua
Great! I worked with 22th december 609 greg., 3 am, since this is the most exactly time I could find for what is thought to be Mohammeds first reveletaion (his first meeting with the Angel and starting to recive Quran). Of course it may be just mythology, but the date is important nevertheless.
Compared to each other, both charts fit well. In the first chart there is a pluto-uranus square, and in the second we get uranus-neptune-conjunction.
Yes I agree, I looked at that too. Both are very telling.
The only reason I plumped on the Hijra is because its verifiable and literally as the start of the Muslim calendar adhered to this day, more concrete, whilst I feel the chat with the ‘Angel’ is symbolic in the same way Mary and Gabriel/ Moses and the burning bush is -still significant though but impossible to verify 😉
Oh, I’ll go have a look. Fascinating.
Gilly — I seem to have run out of reply space up there. Actually it was an interesting question. NN to NN is important and does not happen often, but even if with Mars involved, it’s not necessarily violent. However, in my own experience, it is often a game changer. I also have the nodes on the 10/4 axis, but the other way up, so to speak, and I have moved town every conjunction. Take a look at previous conjunctions to both NN and SN. It’s every 9/18 years.
I read on Anne Ortelee’s site she is connecting this slaughter to the 9/11 events in New York. These started at 09.11 hrs in the morning. In Paris things started to develop at 09.11 hrs in the evening.
If you take 09.11 hrs pm as time of beginning the Ascendant is at 22.35 Cancer, exactly squared by Eris who is at 22.32 Aries currently.
Isn’t it typical that nobody even mentions her (apart from Anne) ??
She was alway rejected and ignored, that is why she lashes out – she wants to be heared.
I think we seriously have to research Eris and what she does.
For most people she and her contents are still unknown (and it is too easy to say she is about jealousy) – it is the task of astrologers to bring these contents and feelings to the consciousness of humanity so they can be answered. And don’t be mistaken – even if they are denying astrology in public, many leaders in the world are secretly reading their books and blogs to get some good advice in life.
These young men are acting and answering to something in their unconscious. They are being used in a very vicious way !!
Good and clear education is allways the answer
mimi
Had another look, just to be accurate : Ascendant 22.32 Cancer, Eris at 22.35 Aries.
mimi
Eris is interesting, and I wonder how the dwarf planet came by its name. Mythic Eris seems to be two goddesses, both associated with strife and discord – but one, the daughter of Nyx (Night) is much darker and more destructive according to classical sources (and check out her children!):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(mythology)
Uranus is approaching Eris now, reaching 22-3 degrees in May-June 2016. Maybe this is a chance to find out more? We all have Eris in Aries, since she moves so slowly. Perhaps this is another signpost pointing towards a collective experience, one that might be enlightening for some of us? Uranus is the awakener, after all. The uninvited guest emerges from the unconscious shadows?
I suppose the conjunction of Uranus and Eris next year will bring the very first beginning of the understanding of these feelings and thoughts Eris provokes. We have to ask ourselves: why is Eris lashing out ?? She was always ignored and rejected and left out if there was a party or gathering of the Gods. They say because she was always creating chaos and difficulties between others. But why did she do that ?
Because all the other Gods on Olympus where so damned pleased with themselves they were not even aware of her. They could only see themselves and were not willing to listen to her. That is where it all starts. And we will have to learn about this over the next decades.
mimi
Yes we will, but what intrigues me is that Eris is one of a number of goddesses in various pantheons who express rage, violence, and have destructive powers. The feminine face of aggression and death, really. Little by little over thousands of years this was sanitised, so that feminine rage (and power) became the outcast – although blood-thirsty Kali remained a powerful deity in India. The mirror face of all this is our life force. It might be interesting, if time-consuming (!) to see if there are asteroids named after some of the other angry goddesses – Sekhmet, Kali, Inanna….I know there’s one named for Lilith (not the Moon incarnation) – anyway, having located them, to see if they showed up in significant locations in charts for upheavals etc. The furious ‘demon’ Lilith was never invited to the party either, she morphed into one of the original bad fairies or witches at the christening of the beautiful baby princess in our fairy tales.
And the Greeks also did have The Fates, who were outside the dominion of both gods and human beings. They were implacable females, spinning, measuring, and cutting the thread of life. Even those smug gods were afraid of them. Nowadays both Saturn and Pluto seem to have adopted part of that implacable reputation! They are imagined to be male…..
That makes me nervous…
Me too! I scared myself, actually!
I never thought about Eris either. I was only tracking that Uranus for some time, because it’s making conjunctions with fixed stars of the constellation “Cetus”, the Whale.
There may be some connection to Arab Spring / Caliphate / ISIS and this constellation. Every time Uranus conjunct a star in this constellation (and it does often), something significant happens. This time it was “Durre Menthor”. However, it is not always the exact conjunction. But perhaps we don’t always see the most important things, or just too late.
Eris, on the other hand, sounds very interesting. “Judgement of Paris”, eh? Of course, much is depending on what aspects Uranus will make during the conjunction.
That’s very interesting about Cetus. Have a look at next June when Uranus is at 23 Aries, conjunct Eris. Mars hovers around in Scorpio, retrograde, arriving at 23 degrees just before a full Moon in Sagittarius at 29 degrees. The Solstice takes place later that evening. 29 of Virgo/Pisces is significant for France, and for the EU. The Jupiter/Uranus/Eris quincunx in August 2016 may also be important. It is at 24 degrees Virgo/Aries. In September there will be a lunar eclipse in Pisces at that degree. This just happens to be the degree of the nodal axis in Virgo/Pisces in the chart for the First Republic, 21 September, 1792. That chart also has Mars at 25 Scorpio in the 9th house. I had not really looked at the 1792 chart much before, but it does seem to be significant. And the Marseillaise is a revolutionary rallying cry after all. What might the fixed stars have to say?
Regarding Eris, I am not sure how, with all this activity, we will be able to tell what ‘belongs’ to her realms, and what is simply Uranian. More female terrorists? Not a happy thought after today’s events.
Yes, and mars will stay in scorpio and in sagittarius for almost a year. This is rare and significant, even without other influences. Germanys mars is in scorpio as well, and it is unaspected. It acts only when there is a trigger, such as this long mars-return.
I read a bit, and some authors regard Eris as the same goddess as egyptian Isis. It’s really confusing, so I will try to explain it in a simple way.
There are actually two myths.
One myth is about the goddess of the destruction. Isis is the goddess of destruction. The other myth is about the apple. The myth about the apple can be found in different versions: The story in the bible, Merlins story, Snow White…
Eris is fusing both myths, the (much older) Isis myth with the apple myth. So they are not two identical goddesses, but similar: Eris is Isis with apple. What ever the meaning.
Hmm – I am groping around in my mind for something about the Mesopotamian goddess Erishkigal, queen of the underworld, who made her sister Ishtar undress as she went through the seven gates to “hell” — and then flayed her.
Here is what it says in Wiki “The other myth is the story of Nergal, the plague god. Once, the gods held a banquet that Ereshkigal as queen of the Netherworld cannot come up to attend. They invite her to send a messenger and she sends Namtar, her vizier. He is treated well by all but disrespected by Nergal. As a result of this, Nergal is banished to the kingdom controlled by the goddess. Versions vary at this point, but all of them result in him becoming her husband.”
There are echoes of Eris here, even in the name. And it intrigues me that this story comes from the region where ISIS was born.
It’s obvious that this war with ISIS is, among other things, about the status of women, about misogyny…
Thought-provoking discussion. Two very disturbing things have seemed significant in the last few days to this astrology, although I’m operating on amateur instinct, not the detailed knowledge participants here have. The empty needles and morphine tubes found in a raid of an apartment used by the ringleaders just before the attacks. Neptune sq Saturn?
And the heartbreaking discovery of the mass graves of some of the Yazidi women. Such monstrous, extreme misogyny.
sorry published that comment twice — with misogyny spelled correctly the second time!
Hmm – I am groping around in my mind for something about the Mesopotamian goddess Erishkigal, queen of the underworld, who made her sister Ishtar undress as she went through the seven gates to “hell” — and then flayed her.
Here is what it says in Wiki “The other myth is the story of Nergal, the plague god. Once, the gods held a banquet that Ereshkigal as queen of the Netherworld cannot come up to attend. They invite her to send a messenger and she sends Namtar, her vizier. He is treated well by all but disrespected by Nergal. As a result of this, Nergal is banished to the kingdom controlled by the goddess. Versions vary at this point, but all of them result in him becoming her husband.”
There are echoes of Eris here, even in the name. And it intrigues me that this story comes from the region where ISIS was born.
It’s obvious that this war with ISIS is, among other things, about the status of women, about mysogyny…
Yes, sadly, misogyny is indeed part of it all. Ereshkigal doesn’t seem to have her own asteroid, yet. She must in some way be a forerunner of Eris as you say. And maybe connected to the Erinyes too? Some scholars say she’s the other side of her sister Inanna/Ishtar. Ishtar was the ‘Lady of Battles’, as well as a great life-giving goddess. When she made the descent into the underworld she spoke to the gatekeepers, “if thou openest not the gate so that I cannot enter, I will smash the door, I will shatter the bolt, I will smash the doorpost, I will move the doors, I will raise up the dead, eating the living, so that the dead will outnumber the living.” Bit of a zombie apocalypse going on there! Anyway, we will just have to see if planet Eris manifests her astrological meaning in a clear way, but the myths are certainly helpful and thought-provoking as a way towards understanding.
Certainly the fundamentalist way of life is denying women their rights. Of course, but the meaning of Eris counts not only for women. There are several issues playing out and interweaving in these times. Of course women are taking their rights all over the world and they are right in doing so. This is Lilith doing her thing in her cycle with Uranus and Pluto I guess.
At the same time there are these young men, who believe they have to wipe out all of Western culture and ideas, but they are answering to some very deep stirrings and feelings, hidden away in their subconcious. Those feelings (Eris) are about being denied to the core of their being.
If someone is constantly denied and not heared there is a mechanism that will take over and this is the raw will to be who you are despite what the other wants you to be.
The teachers in certain countries in the Islamic world are happily taking advantage of these unconscious feelings and thoughts, and are using them and their religious feelings to achieve very worldly aims, like control of oil and “world power”.
I think this is what we really have to understand before we will be able to turn events around. Very difficult.
mimi
Yes but where is the birth chart for paris or france? I cannot see anything above that would indicate anything much.
Here’s a long piece on France that I wrote a few years ago — with chart. http://www.oxfordastrologer.com/2012/03/liberte-egalite-identite.html
I see it now. What is in the french chart is the saturn/sun connection. sat 0.52 retro-grading and the sun 00.07. But what joined that is mars 00.34. Powerful saturn as its retrograding. There are also planets at 21 degrees in both charts. But the saturn mars sun would nail it for me. Deliberate (sun) nastiness Saturn/mars.
If, as you suggested in your web interview, Pluto presents us with a Darth Veda, and Uranus could be characterized by Frankenstein, how about Neptune? Leviathan? I experience Neptune energy as more feminine, and a deep sea creature may not be out to get us! The ‘gods of change’ as Howard Sasportas described these three, could also be imaged as intensely powerful, supernal Archangels, giving us opportunities for expanded consciousness… Metatron, Raziel, Zaphkiel… possibly with kabbalistic sephirot Keter, Chesed, Binah…
BTW – this post is from an Aries with Uranus conj.Sun right now, and Pluto approaching square!
Theolyn, I love that question. And it is one I’ve asked myself. I think in the dim and distant past I may even have tried to answer, but there’s no real pop culture figure who springs to mind. Moby Dick fits. On the theme of personification, Saturn is Obi-Wan Kenobe.
And of course, the archangels are a much nicer way of thinking of them.
IMO – neptune is the eternel. Saturn is here casting an illusion that here is it – nothing else. But neptune is what we will return to. Saturn is old nick. The greatest trick the devil ever performed was to convince mankind he doesnt exist.
nicely put.